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Chapter Thirty (Part I) | Table of Contents | Chapter Thirty-One
SCSF: A good day, everyone, and welcome back to BattleAxe! Last time, Faraday was pledged to the service of the Mother.
There is no reader post this time, because I cheated and am doing this out of schedule. The book will pick up quite a bit next time, so I would rather not delay that moment if I can help it.
For now, let me resume. I left off with Raum, Shra and Faraday reaching a forest near the Sacred Grove. Faraday feels “very happy, very contented”. She takes a “breath of complete exultation”. After all, she has seen the Star Gate, and now she has not only seen Fernbrake Lake, but “this time” she has been permitted to go through. She thinks she has been blessed. Um, you have only seen Fernbrake Lake once, so I do not quite know what you are talking about.
PPP: 235
Also… having considered this, I think this might be deeper than Douglass meant. This is naturally the fulfilment of Faraday’s dream with the Renkins, where she was very happy and content and she was promised she could return, so of course Faraday would consider herself blessed, even if she cannot remember the dream.
Outside of that, I note that Faraday was in a quite bad condition at that point: she had had the vision at the Silent Woman Woods, the Sentinels had pressured her into agreeing to marry Borneheld, Merlion had died, and she had been abducted by the Sentinels and had a difficult escape from the Star Gate. I can easily see why she would latch onto the promise of return.
Further, she still has those experiences and troubles hanging over her now, and Yr said that being Tree Friend will “contain only joy” for Faraday. Given that, I can see why she pledges her service so readily: it promises her joy, which she desperately wants more of, and it gives her a purpose which she can cling to.
The trouble is that she has no idea what she swears to do! Jack and Yr naturally do not say anything that might make her less willing, and I guess they told Raum to do the same. So…
Morals for Thee But Not for Me: 93
I am almost inclined to be more forgiving toward Raum, as he wants Faraday bound to the Mother for the sake of his own people, instead of for the sake of “the Prophecy”, as the Sentinels do… but there is still no good reason for him not to tell her. In fact, Faraday would have been more willing if she had been told that she would go to the Sacred Grove, so the Sentinels are hindering themselves by withholding information!
Going back to what we see here, I certainly think Faraday would consider herself blessed, now that she has found out that this service includes going to the Sacred Grove! (And I would also like to see where Faraday’s service will eventually bring her.)
Ah, I see that Chessy rightly points out that the Sentinels are again pressing Faraday into something she might not want per se. Thank you for picking that up!
Oh, and when Faraday was bound to the Mother, she was “enriched with strength and courage and understanding”, so that would probably confirm to Faraday that she had made the right choice.
Back to the present, Raum feels Faraday’s “rapture”, and he lifts their hands and “presse[s] the back of her hand against his chest” for a moment. Shra grasps their hands and then they all “laugh[] together for sheer joy”. Well, that is nice for them, though I do not exactly understand why they are joining hands like this. As Faraday “somehow suspect[s] it might”, the path leads them to the grove from her dream, but now it is no dream.
Raum has them halt at the edge of the grove and walks into the centre of it himself, raising his arms above his shoulders, and extending his “hands [] palm-up to the night sky”. In a “strong, clear voice”, he addresses the “Sacred Horned Ones”. He gives them greetings from Avarinheim (yes, it is indeed not “the Avarinheim” here) and says he presents Shra and Faraday, who have “passed through the terror of the forest” and been “cleansed and blessed by the Light of the Mother”.
I note that he explicitly refers to the test here, so it is clearly a wider thing. Given that I know these Sacred Horned Ones were Banes themselves at one point, I do still think this testing is a matter of tradition. He now motions for Shra and Faraday to join him (so… did he give Shra to Faraday to carry? Or is she walking on herself now?). He says that Shra will grow “tall and strong” and will walk the paths of Avarinheim, serving the Mother and the Horned Ones. Faraday will “walk in the shadow of the Prophecy of the Destroyer” and will, “if her strength prevails”, bring the Avar out “on the other side”. He asks the Horned Ones to step out and grant Shra and Faraday “the courage of [their] strength and [their] blessing”. Ooh, I am interested!
Faraday now trembles because of the sheer amount of “power” in the Grove. She can see shapes moving behind the trees and feel eyes on her. Douglass then says this: “It was strange that no fear, only exhilaration, filled her.” …I do not think that is strange at all; she has been here before, after all, and she can deduce that the Horned Ones are most probably like the being she saw in her dream (who was very nice to her). Further, this is simply a fulfilment for her, and I would expect her to be exhilarated about it! I might think she would be nervous about all of this, but it simply is not that strange that she is not afraid.
PPP: 236
She senses that Raum feels the same way as she, and she reaches a “trembling hand” and touches his hairline where she thought she saw bone earlier, and feels… “the infant nubs of antlers”! Raum looks at Faraday and whispers that he “hope[s] and pray[s]” to eventually take his place with the Horned Ones. Well, however much I dislike Raum, I would not mind if that happened to him. Faraday smiles at him and says he will, in the same paragraph as him speaking.
PPP: 237
When she looks back, she sees that nine of the Horned Ones have joined them, standing in “a rough semi-circle”. Ooh, nine of them! We get a description of them: they all have “muscular bodies”, are nearly naked outside of their loincloths, and they have “magnificent stag heads and antlers”. Most of them have “thick brown or black pelts” that grow over their shoulders and “midway down their backs” (so not on the rest of their bodies? How strange), though one of them has a “striking silver” pelt. They all have “[l]iquid-black eyes” and exude “tremendous power”.
PPP: 240 (+3) (for two occurrences of “Avarinheim” without article, and the Horned Ones being described with “the”, without reference to the one that Faraday saw in her dream)
The silver-pelted Horned One comes forward, “holding out his hands in greeting”. He welcomes Shra and Faraday, and then Raum, who he says serves them “so well in the Avarinheim and with the Mother”. If you say so. He then rubs cheeks with Raum, picks up Shra so he can do the same with her, and goes over to Faraday. He greets her as Tree Friend, and says they are “pleased beyond telling” that she is finally here. He then grasps her hands and brushes cheeks with her. Faraday’s skin “thrill[s] at the touch”.
Hmm, I think he is being quite forward, but I can understand it given how enthusiastic he undoubtedly is. Further, Faraday quite likes it, so… Well, she asks if she can stay, “a little afraid at asking so much”, and knowing what he will answer. He says that she will come back one day, when “[her] work and life [are] done”, and then she can stay if she wishes. We are told his voice and words “hold the certainty of a benediction”. Faraday nearly cries tears of joy, as she knows he will not lie to her.
I note that this seems like a good way to ensure Faraday’s devotion, though the Horned One ought to make good on his promise, then. He says that, before that day comes, she “may visit whenever [she] wish[es]”. Oh, that is very good of him! She thanks him, and he lets go of her hands. He takes something from one of his “younger companions”.
He says that they would like to give her “a talisman” that will help her “grow into the person [she] need[s] to become”, and will help her to find the Sacred Groves when she is away from the Mother. He tells her to “[g]row in strength and understanding”, and never to forget her service. I quite like how comparatively straightforward he is with her (despite being somewhat mysterious) and how he explicitly tells her to “grow in understanding”. He gives Faraday a “wide shallow bowl”, which she thinks looks like it has been grown rather than carved into its shape. The wood has a “deep reddish colour”, which almost seems to glow and feels warm to her touch.
Faraday thanks him again, “awed by the honour of the gift”, and just then a meteor blazes across the sky. So… is this on another planet, then? It is clearly not on Stellaris, so what is going on here? Is this meteor real, or what??
Cardboard Worldbuilding: 61
The Horned One looks at Raum. He calls him “young brother” and says that time grows short. He tells him to go in peace and take care of himself and Shra, as there are “too few of [them]” in these difficult times. He bends to Shra and tells her to serve the Mother well, and learn “how to sing to the seasons and the land”. If she learns well, it might just be her voice that makes the difference. I would hope it does not have to…
Shra nods seriously and whispers “Will”, at which Raum and the Horned One “smile[] affectionately”. The Horned One says she will do well and turns back to Faraday. He tells her to be true, because she will have to be, as he touches her forehead, which “send[s] a jolt of power through her”. I guess he just gave her some power of the Mother, then? With that, he turns and all the Horned Ones leave. Raum says that it is time to go.
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We cut back to Timozel, in yet another long italicised block with lots of dialogue.
PPP: 241
This time, Timozel cannot escape in the blackness. He feels the “mad hatred” of Gorgrael reaching for him just before he grabs Timozel by the throat and pulls him back into the icy room. He whispers that there is “no escape” for Timozel, and if Timozel will not be his friend, he will have to serve him “as others do”. Well, at least we have moved from “menace” to “threat”… Gorgrael’s “power” forces him to his knees and he cowers there for a minute. Then Gorgrael grabs his head and makes him look upward. Gorgrael bends over him, “yellow gobs of phlegm” oozing down his tongue and falling to the floor. Why is that the case, Douglass? I need an answer other than “because it would be gross”.
He gloats over Timozel, and what a “pretty boy” he is, and how he will serve him well. Timozel then feels “a force unlike anything he [has] ever experienced before” that compels him to pledge service to Gorgrael. He cannot resist at all, except… that he cannot. Gorgrael wants to know what he means, and his eyes “glow[] red” for a moment. Because he is eeeeevil, naturally!
Papier-Mâché Villains: 22
With “the last strength in his body”, Timozel says that he already pledged his life and his service. Ah, that is his vow of Championship, then! Gorgrael howls in fury, stands to his full height and “shak[es] his entire body in a frenzy of rage”. Timozel, still held by Gorgrael, gets “flung about like a wet rag”, and his muscles and tendons “scream[] with the abuse they [are] receiving”. How lovely.
Gorgrael shrieks again and asks who he has pledged his life and service to. Timozel shakes his head; Gorgrael cannot make him answer, because that would break his vow to Faraday. (Interesting!) Gorgrael “hisse[s] in maddened frustration” and tells him to listen, while calling him a “crawling piece of excrement”, because that fits the tone well.
Tone Soap: 38
He says that Timozel will “promise to serve [him] if [he is] releases from [his] other vow”. He then twists Timozel’s head at “an unnatural angle”, so that he can feel his spine crack with the strain and red spots float before his eyes. He can feel the compulsion building in him, and his resistance fades. He then swears that he will “serve [Gorgrael] before any other” when he is released from his oath, “hating himself more foully than he hate[s] this creature before him”. Oh, poor Timozel. I can see why he feels so, but he can hardly be blamed for any of this, of course. I do think it remains to be seen if Gorgrael can get his loyalty with this alone; Timozel did not swear of his own free will, after all.
Gorgrael smiles and thinks he knew that he would have Timozel eventually. He indicates “a shadow behind him”, and says the “Dark Man bears witness”. He repeats that Timozel’s vow binds him to Gorgrael (why use you name?) and on the day that he is freed from his current vows Timozel will come to him (good luck with that when he does not know where you are!). He keeps Timozel for a moment longer and then lets him go.
So, that was Timozel’s dream sequence. I think I would have liked it quite a bit better if it had been shorter and had not included constant cliffhangers. As for the vow Gorgrael has got out of Timozel, I quite doubt that it will work that way… but I think Timozel might not think of that, given how much Gorgrael showed off his power. It is a decently clever tactic, really.
Also, given how long this took to accomplish, and the violence to which Timozel was subjected, I will give this:
Petty Ain’t the Word for You: 43
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We now find ourselves with Gorgrael, for the first time since the prologue! And there actually is a “cloaked figure” behind him! (How spooky.) He asks if the man “set [Timozel’s] feet on the dream paths to find him”. So did he also make Axis’s dreams? …No, I think Gorgrael would have made those personally, given that they were much more personal.
Well, the man smiles, and Gorgrael “almost grovel[s]” to thank him. The “Dark Man” (really now) inclines his head, and says it is going “[v]ery well”. Gorgrael asks if he will stay for a while, and the Dark Man says that Gorgrael knows he has “duties elsewhere”, and all will be well. Then he vanishes. That was mysterious.
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Back with Faraday, Raum and Shra, they go back up through the light, and it “be[gins] to thicken about them”, until in “the last few paces”, when they can just see the stars, it “thicken[s] into water”. They burst through the surface “about fifteen paces from the shore”. So… I suppose the magic of Fernbrake faded just before they got out? Raum and Faraday can just “reach the bottom with their toes” here, and they carry Shra above them as they go to shore. There, Jack and Yr are waiting with blankets and wrap them all up as tight as they can “against the predawn ice”. My, they have foresight! Faraday hugs her blanket to her, feeling the bowl press against her stomach.
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They all sleep through the rest of the morning, exhausted as they are by “the events of the predawn hours”. This would be the 18th of October, then. When they get up, Raum and Shra set about preparing to go to the Avarinheim. Faraday hugs them and tells them to take care and not to let the “Plains Dwellers snatch [them]”. Interesting that Faraday uses that name for the Acharites here… Raum laughs that they only travel at night, and few people can see them then. Yes, that is why we heard reports of Avar from Smyrton in the very first chapter.
Yr tells him to listen to Faraday. After all, the Axe-Wielders will be in Smyrton “sometime within the next few weeks” on their way to Gorkenfort. They should take care when they pass by to the Avarinheim. Hmm, is that the next plot point I spy?
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In the afternoon, Jack, Yr and Faraday leave for their camp, arriving “some time during the night”. Yes, because descending in the darkness is just such a safe thing to do!
Ill Logic: 161
Their camp looks just like they left it: the mule and pigs are nearby and safe, and Timozel still lies sleeping. Yr gets out of her clothes, goes to “snuggle down beside him”, and removes the enchantment, saying that he will “wake as normal” in the morning. Jack and Faraday nod and go to sleep themselves. “Their sleep was sound that night. All seemed well.” And there the chapter ends. Yes, thank you for the dramatic irony, Douglass.
Either way, that was it for Faraday and Timozel for quite a bit, as we will only see them again in chapter 37. I am glad things have begun to pick up somewhat, too. Until next time, when we will resume with Axis’s plot!
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Monday, 23 September 2024 10:59 (UTC)Like I said before, being Tree Friend will in fact just bring her misery and suffering.
Whatever the hell that means. And these aren't things you can just have handed to you. You have to earn them through life experience and such. Really this is little different from Eragon getting handed his True Name without actually having to go on a journey of self discovery.
Which doesn't happen because Azhure and Axis are more important. No, really.
Because you're being brainwashed, Farry.
Power we will of course learn nothing more about and which will never do anything. Again.
A world-weary abuse survivor?
This series is really bad at making it clear enough just where certain locations actually are, such as the Maze. Is it floating in the air? Underground? Parallel universe? No freaking clue.
Yeah, this never happens. The only time Shra uses her voice to make a difference is by making a big overwritten speech far too sophisticated for a kid in order to persuade the Avar to give Axis a freaking stick.
Ah yes, the power that does absolutely nothing after this book.
How few is too few? How many Banes do they actually needs? The worldbuilding in this thing is such a complete failure on so many levels.
If he's spitting up yellow phlegm he has a sinus or lung infection, which might well be bacterial and therefore in need of some antibiotics. Too bad those don't exist in this setting.
Glowing red eyes. I still can't believe Sara Douglass (real name Sara Warneke, and I actually can tell you why she went with a pen name) seriously went there. I mean it's just so cheesy.
Poor Timmy is basically this trilogy's Murtagh, but with one key difference: the moment he starts serving Gorge he just turns 100% pure over the top cartoonish evil and never gets any chance for redemption. And, Eragon-like, Axis makes no attempt to help him. Nobody does.
Oh god, that nonsense. "Dark Man". I mean really.
And again, why is Gorge only trying to reel in this ONE GUY? Why doesn't he do this with anyone else?
And Gorge never acts like this again. On their next encounter he's acting like a fussy housewife trying to impress his guest and convince Timmy that he's a reasonable sort and very sophisticated. It's downright embarrassing.
If the - groan - Dark Man made the dreams happen maybe that's why Gorge doesn't recruit anyone else in the same way. Darky only wants there to be one cliché Traitor In The Ranks. Of course this just brings up the question of why Gorge doesn't press him to do it again. But then Gorge is an easily manipulated idiot, so there's that.
What "duties" would these be, exactly?
That was awfully quick. At least Eragon didn't start referring to "humans" as if he wasn't one until a few months into being a Rider.
"Tragically" Jackass tripped on an unseen obstacle and went hurtling down the mountainside. Yr clambered after him but it was already too late; he had broken his neck and had already stopped breathing. And nothing of value was lost.
I was out walking one night and there was a blackout severe enough that all the streetlights shut off. I tried to walk through some long grass in the darkness, and this resulted in me slamming into a hidden rock and tearing my leg open so badly that I still have a big scar. And this is on a slope which is presumably waist-deep in bracken ferns, in wet and frosty conditions! Even if they were using torches or lanterns this is a terrible idea.
Oh NO.
Another great spork!
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Monday, 23 September 2024 11:18 (UTC)Like I said before, being Tree Friend will in fact just bring her misery and suffering.
SCSF: That naturally makes all this quite cruel.
Which doesn't happen because Azhure and Axis are more important. No, really.
I thought Azhure eventually took over the Avar? And yes, she has been involved with the Avar, but she truly does not have to take over everything!
A world-weary abuse survivor?
Or someone who has given up on attempting any resistance to her fate?
This series is really bad at making it clear enough just where certain locations actually are, such as the Maze. Is it floating in the air? Underground? Parallel universe? No freaking clue.
Hmmm, I thought it was beneath Grail Lake at first, and then... ah yes, I see it finally comes up out of Grail Lake! (Chapter 64 of Pilgrim, "The Doorways", for reference.)
How few is too few? How many Banes do they actually needs? The worldbuilding in this thing is such a complete failure on so many levels.
Certainly, and Douglass's insistence on "mystery" only makes it worse.
Glowing red eyes. I still can't believe Sara Douglass (real name Sara Warneke, and I actually can tell you why she went with a pen name) seriously went there. I mean it's just so cheesy.
I thought the Gryphon will eventually have those too? (And, since you offer, why did she go with that penname?)
Poor Timmy is basically this trilogy's Murtagh, but with one key difference: the moment he starts serving Gorge he just turns 100% pure over the top cartoonish evil and never gets any chance for redemption. And, Eragon-like, Axis makes no attempt to help him. Nobody does.
Yep, that would track. And he unfortunately does not have a partner who cares for him either...
And again, why is Gorge only trying to reel in this ONE GUY? Why doesn't he do this with anyone else?
A very good question, indeed.
And Gorge never acts like this again. On their next encounter he's acting like a fussy housewife trying to impress his guest and convince Timmy that he's a reasonable sort and very sophisticated. It's downright embarrassing.
That is just silly! She really was not good at tone!
If the - groan - Dark Man made the dreams happen maybe that's why Gorge doesn't recruit anyone else in the same way. Darky only wants there to be one cliché Traitor In The Ranks. Of course this just brings up the question of why Gorge doesn't press him to do it again. But then Gorge is an easily manipulated idiot, so there's that.
There is also the question of why he did not use dreams to manipulate Axis, Rivkah, Azhure etc. instead of going there in person.
What "duties" would these be, exactly?
I have no idea whatsoever. He has done his manipulation already, after all.
They really should be much more careful, since they cannot afford to have any of them die!
Another great spork!
Why, thank you!
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 00:38 (UTC)Oh yeah, 100%. Essentially what the sentinels do is lure in a naïve kid, force her into an abusive marriage, and brainwash into her doing months of agonising hard labour while pregnant before allowing herself to be murdered.
Sort of. She doesn't lead them or even go back to the forest, but it is suddenly her job to summon the trees Faraday has planted. So yeah, she essentially hijacks Faraday's entire plotline and Axis' as well. It's absolutely ridiculous and should never have happened. Azhure didn't even need to be a character in this trilogy to begin with. Or at least not a major one.
Both. It's absolutely horrible how at the end she just lies down and allows herself to be violently raped and then brutally murdered. She could so easily have saved herself but didn't Because Fucking Prophecy. Like if your world-saving prophecy requires an innocent woman to be raped and murdered, your prophecy is evil and can fuck all the way off. AND PEOPLE THINK THIS TRILOGY IS FEMINIST.
Making your characters be incredibly obtuse for no reason is not how you do mystery.
Correct, groan. And believe it or not, the publisher asked her to pick a different surname higher in the alphabet so that her books would be more prominently displayed in bookshops (since in almost all cases books are placed in alphabetical order by author name).
She really wasn't. It keeps jumping between dark and violent and incredibly childish. Gorge can't even be consistently menacing because he keeps doing stupid shit like fussing over the décor and falling on his ass.
Not that you'd know it given how Faraday goes around completely unprotected. Among other things.
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Monday, 23 September 2024 12:35 (UTC)And probably sold her soul to some kind of eldritch demon beast, because Douglass is clearly deathly allergic to explanations, so she has no idea what she signed up for, and really didn't even get a choice in the matter.
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I think she means the Star Gate, when they told her that she wasn't allowed to get anywhere near it, but there aren't any restrictions this time.
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And my sympathy for Faraday just shot through the roof. When you put it like that...oh, that poor girl.
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And that is precisely why none of this makes any sense. There is no reason for them not to be explaining any of what's going on! All it's doing is driving my blood pressure up to dangerous levels, and makes me hate them with the intensity of a galaxy full of suns.
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Because who needs free will when you can use manipulation and mind-control!
I will never let that go. It's infuriating and creepy and just...fuck the Sentinels.-
I'm sure it's probably meant to be SYMBOLIC or something. Couldn't tell you what it's supposed to be SYMBOLIC of, though.
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I'm starting to wonder just how many times the word 'power' appears in this book. It might be my imagination, but it seems like it's already shown up an obscene number of times.
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Now that I noticed the abundanced of 'power', every instance of it just sticks out that much more to me. I'm going to have a complex by the time this is all over, I swear.
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This actually doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise might. What seems forward to us is probably a perfectly normal greeting to them. They're an entirely different species, after all; they probably don't have the same reticence about physical contact that we do.
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I like this guy. He seems really sweet and caring. I'm worried about how Douglass is going to fuck this up, though. We can't have any truly likable characters in this book, I'm starting to learn.
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This kind of mysterious dialogue is what needs to be in the whole book. It explains what's going on while still keeping some details vague enough to keep the reader's interest. So this proves that Douglass can write decent intrigue, and just chooses not to. I guess she prefers the "We know everything that's going on but we're not going to tell you anything because reasons" option.
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BAD TOUCH! Oh, my god, that's so creepy! And not in a spooky, sends-shivers-up-your-spine pleasant way. It's a slimy I-need-a-bleach-shower-right-goddamn-now way.
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You know, I was going to give Douglass points in the last part by having Gorgonzola's eyes be silver rather than the extremely cliché red, but I take it back. She just had to do it, didn't she?
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Douglass really needs to hire someone to come up with better names for things. She's utterly failing at doing it herself.
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I guess she's been fully assimilated, then, if she's started to talk about her own people like they were alien beings. You don't just disconnect from your own species this fast, Douglass! Even brainwashing takes time!
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Monday, 23 September 2024 16:36 (UTC)I think she means the Star Gate, when they told her that she wasn't allowed to get anywhere near it, but there aren't any restrictions this time.
SCSF: Yes, that is clearly the case, because that explains the "going through" part. Thank you for the catch!
And my sympathy for Faraday just shot through the roof. When you put it like that...oh, that poor girl.
"Poor girl" indeed. She has quite some mistreatment lying in her future...
And that is precisely why none of this makes any sense. There is no reason for them not to be explaining any of what's going on! All it's doing is driving my blood pressure up to dangerous levels, and makes me hate them with the intensity of a galaxy full of suns.
And it rightly should be doing that to the people they are withholding information from.
I'm sure it's probably meant to be SYMBOLIC or something. Couldn't tell you what it's supposed to be SYMBOLIC of, though.
Me neither...
I'm starting to wonder just how many times the word 'power' appears in this book. It might be my imagination, but it seems like it's already shown up an obscene number of times.
There are a total of 109 occurrences in this book, and this was the 26th occurrence.
This actually doesn't bother me as much as it otherwise might. What seems forward to us is probably a perfectly normal greeting to them. They're an entirely different species, after all; they probably don't have the same reticence about physical contact that we do.
That is certainly fair; I think the constant lack of respect for Faraday has sensitised me a bit too much. In this case, I am actually happy that he did so, given how thrilled Faraday was. (I do wonder if these Horned Ones still consider themselves Avar or not.)
I like this guy. He seems really sweet and caring. I'm worried about how Douglass is going to fuck this up, though. We can't have any truly likable characters in this book, I'm starting to learn.
I actually do not think this will be messed up, so hold out hope?
This kind of mysterious dialogue is what needs to be in the whole book. It explains what's going on while still keeping some details vague enough to keep the reader's interest. So this proves that Douglass can write decent intrigue, and just chooses not to. I guess she prefers the "We know everything that's going on but we're not going to tell you anything because reasons" option.
Indeed! I only hope she left off this contrived "mystery" in the later books and opted for a better intrigue...
BAD TOUCH! Oh, my god, that's so creepy! And not in a spooky, sends-shivers-up-your-spine pleasant way. It's a slimy I-need-a-bleach-shower-right-goddamn-now way.
I guess Douglass got what she aimed for, then?
You know, I was going to give Douglass points in the last part by having Gorgonzola's eyes be silver rather than the extremely cliché red, but I take it back. She just had to do it, didn't she?
She indeed just had to, and in the next book, we will see creatures with... bright red, glowing eyes. (I do not think Gorgrael actually has such eyes, though; it is probably an invention of the "Dark Man".)
Douglass really needs to hire someone to come up with better names for things. She's utterly failing at doing it herself.
That will be the... thirty-seventh bad name so far, then!
I guess she's been fully assimilated, then, if she's started to talk about her own people like they were alien beings. You don't just disconnect from your own species this fast, Douglass! Even brainwashing takes time!
For myself, I guess she wanted to... create a connection with Raum? That makes the most sense, I think.
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Monday, 23 September 2024 16:54 (UTC)Huh...that's actually not as high as I was expecting. I was sure it was going to be double that amount, at least.
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Interesting question. These guys do seem more like minor deities than your average run-of-the-mill Avar (from what I know of them from the book so far--which is to say, not all that much, admittedly).
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Oh, yay! Finally, a glimmer of light in this cesspool of muck and nastiness!
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And in this case, I really wish she hadn't...
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That's fair. When you're showing up in someone's dreams to torment them, it makes sense that you would be able to alter your (or someone else's) appearance to suit your needs. It's just too bad that Douglass chose to go with the most overused, cliched symbol of evilness in existence.
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And we're not even through the first book yet. We're going to be buried in horrible names by the time it's all said and done.
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Yeah, I could see that being the case. I was just looking at it from the wrong angle.
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Monday, 23 September 2024 17:18 (UTC)Huh...that's actually not as high as I was expecting. I was sure it was going to be double that amount, at least.
SCSF: The later books might well do so...
Interesting question. These guys do seem more like minor deities than your average run-of-the-mill Avar (from what I know of them from the book so far--which is to say, not all that much, admittedly).
Yes, they do, and if I recall correctly, the one with the white pelt is more... senior than the others.
And we're not even through the first book yet. We're going to be buried in horrible names by the time it's all said and done.
Well, I am certain it is so high here in part because this is the first introduction to the series, and all the book outside of Threshold will share at least some names. They will certainly not let up later, though (see "Jannymire Goldman" and "Boroleas" and "Kanubai", for example).
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Monday, 30 September 2024 08:44 (UTC)Oh and you haven't even met the Icarii yet...
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 00:48 (UTC)It's only going to get worse, I'm afraid. As is the overuse of "beautiful".
These overtones are only going to get worse too. And I just realised something. This morning I listened to a podcast about how back in the day, Disney made its villains queer-coded in part because the Hays Code said no queer characters unless they get punished for it, but also because people found characters like that "creepy" and "other". Just look at the Evil Queen from Snow White, with her deeper voice, strong jawline and lack of a husband. Or Scar from the Lion King waving his paw with a limp wrist and declaring that "I shall practise my curtsey".
Well that's exactly what Douglass is doing here. She's making Gorge queer coded. She does it all the time. He lisps, he gropes a young man and calls him "pretty boy" (and later on he metaphorically rapes him and Douglass barely even tries to hide it). And we'll see him at home later on mincing around making sure the furniture is properly waxed, fondling and sniffing a pretty dress he went out of his way to steal, and so on. Plus he has a really weird obsession with things being "pretty". My god, the more I think about it the more screamingly obvious it gets.
Short version, Gorge is VERY obviously a gay stereotype and this is being used as a shorthand for "he is disgusting and creepy and evil". Lovely.
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 06:39 (UTC)SCSF: Well, I already knew that it would develop that way, but now I will add this in in the next part!
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 08:12 (UTC)SCSF: And we already had it with Isend, too! (Another reason that it was a terrible idea to skip those chapters...)
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 08:55 (UTC)Really, given how misogynistic this trilogy is it shouldn't be surprising that it's also homophobic. The two go hand in hand all the time. Women are weak and inferior, so therefore any man with traits considered feminine also weak and inferior, and also disgusting for "choosing" to be that way.
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Wednesday, 25 September 2024 11:54 (UTC)Yep, I did. Here's the link: https://pangolin20.dreamwidth.org/15773.html
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 10:03 (UTC)Holy shit, that's... Wow, Disney. And wow, Douglass. You had to go there, after every other uncomfortable thing you put in your book? That's just the rotten cherry on top of the very rancid sundae, isn't it?
I know I make fun of Gorgonzola a lot, but now I'm actually starting to feel sorry for him, being written like that. Someone needs to drill it into Douglass's head that you can have a gay villain without the message of gay = wrong, bad, horrible, gross, etc. The more I learn about Douglass, the less I like her.
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 10:52 (UTC)The only good side is that it did at least give queer moviegoers characters they could relate to. After all what member of a minority hasn't felt the temptation to burn it all down at least once? I know I have (I am queer myself).
But yeah, the more you think about it the more blatant it gets. The only way I can give Douglass some very grudging leeway is by remembering that she was born in 1957 and that this book was published in 1995, so there's a bit of a "product of her/its time" here. But that's really not an excuse. I know plenty of people from her generation who aren't homophobic or misogynistic.
Same. Yes he does a few evil things, but really, given his backstory he never had a chance. He's only doing this because a third party manipulated him into it and he's too stupid and naïve to know any better.
Might I add, Gorge's foil, Axis, is a disgusting poster child for toxic masculinity in all the worst ways. Right now he's an arrogant asshole, but that's absolutely nothing compared with what's coming. And a LOT of it is violence against women - emotional, physical and sexual. Repeatedly. He also displays a whole lot of completely unnecessary violence and aggression, even toward people who are on his side.
And yes, Eragon and Roran-like, we are constantly being told that Axis is kind and gentle and brave while he does all these things.
Same. At the very least she thought incest with one's grandfather was a harmless and amusing "widespread" fantasy. At worst she actually thought it was sexy. And then there are all these revolting messages and themes slipping into her narrative. That shit doesn't just come out of nowhere.
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Monday, 23 September 2024 19:52 (UTC)Okay, how is Timozel's new oath valid? I mean, the one thing that characterizes oathes and promises is that they're spoken by the swearer's own will. Now, in the tales I've read it's not always consensual by our standards - or any rational standard sometimes - but the part that makes it binding is that the person did indeed knowingly choose to say those words.
(Also, a vow is specifically a promise made to a deity. Gorgrael is neither a god nor pretending to be one, so it's an oath if it's anything at all.)
And Timozel should know enough about oathes, vows, and promises to see that glaring loophole in this one! Not his will, not his oath. That's before we get into things like how he doesn't seem to have sworn by anyone so there's no Being of Power holding him to it or the Church's doctrine that one can not be bound by an evil oath.
So this farce should hold him about as well as a bubble wand holds water. But of course, Doughlass has approximately zero understanding of the subject so she thinks this is actually binding somehow.
And no, witnesses don't make it binding. All they can do is prove it exists.
Yr, Timozel is not your teddy bear. Get out of his bed.
"As this Axis is likely their vaunted StarMan, what can you tell me of his character?" Ceolmund asked.
Timozel leaned back, deep in thought. "I'm afraid I don't know much," he began, before shaking his head. "No, I should be honest. I know little good."
He took a deep breath before continuing. "He is a skilled in the arts of combat, and by all accounts he's a competent commander in the field. Outside of that..."
Timozel grimaced. "He's got all the morals of a tomcat I'm afraid. It's not spoken of in polite company, but he has a well-founded reputation for bedding any woman he fancies, and it's rumored he has two unacknowledged children.
"Furthermore he's got a reputation for being quick to claim insult, though I believe the rumor that he once dueled someone to the death is unfounded. And..." Timozel hesitated. "This is a rumor only," he said, "but it's a very persistent one. I've heard many times that Axis resents the limits that his illegitimate status places on him, and that he joined the Brotherhood purely out of ambition instead of vocation."
"Do you think it creditable?" Ceolmund asked.
Timozel sighed. "I want to," he stated, "so I really shouldn't say. But he does not act like he truly has a vocation to the Brotherhood."
Ceolmund nodded gravely. "I understand," he said. "And I thank you for your honesty."
He looked up sharply. "I must leave now. 'Tis but a few hours until your travelling companions return, and 'twould be best if they find you sleeping."
Timozel nodded in understanding. "Artor's blessing go with you."
Ceolmund smiled as he disappeared into the night. "Pax vobiscum."
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Monday, 23 September 2024 20:12 (UTC)That bowl had better be plot relevant.
SCSF: Oh, she will indeed use it to get into the Sacred Groves several times, and even in Wayfarer Redemption, it will be relevant.
(Also, a vow is specifically a promise made to a deity. Gorgrael is neither a god nor pretending to be one, so it's an oath if it's anything at all.)
That is, for once, Douglass's fault, as she uses "vow" three times in this scene. I will mark that down.
Yes, this whole business is utterly ridiculous (even more so since he swears to an image of Gorgrael). It might work if they kept up the pressure on him, to keep him from thinking this through, but, from what I recall, they will not, so...
(And eventually, the visions of commanding a great army will be more persuasive to him than this, so why waste your time with this nonsense?)
Yes, that description sounds about right. He truly must have quite some children by now, after all. ...As for dueling someone to the death, he will do that.
Well, I very much like Ceolmund, and I am interested to see where this will go next!
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Tuesday, 24 September 2024 00:25 (UTC)Good to hear I hit the mark with Axis' reputation. It's almost amazing how shallow his good points are, isn't it.
And thanks!